50rb de ayer. de nuevo cerca pera na de na
18 años 3 meses
2.733
Ayer a falta de 40 personas de los 260 que empezamos en el 50Rb iba en segunda posición. Cobran 27 por lo que si quería me metía en cobros facilmente, pero para variar caí a dos posiciones de cobro. Os pongo las manos más interesantes a ver que opinais. Yo creo que simplemente se trató de un par de jugadas encontadas, y mala ostia y todo nace en esta cuando quedamos 40:
PokerStars Game #11364431941: Tournament #57261546, $50+$5 Hold'em No Limit - Level XII (600/1200) - 2007/08/07 - 18:20:17 (ET)
Table '57261546 1' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: #1PEN (19493 in chips)
Seat 2: mig.com (33556 in chips)
Seat 3: bani33 (40336 in chips)
Seat 4: amatos (91933 in chips)
Seat 5: chipper_2 (10468 in chips)
Seat 6: TheTownhouse (59045 in chips)
Seat 7: magwitch78 (40012 in chips)
Seat 8: agriffrod (57626 in chips)
Seat 9: PremieKlovn (74275 in chips)
#1PEN: posts the ante 125
mig.com: posts the ante 125
bani33: posts the ante 125
amatos: posts the ante 125
chipper_2: posts the ante 125
TheTownhouse: posts the ante 125
magwitch78: posts the ante 125
agriffrod: posts the ante 125
PremieKlovn: posts the ante 125
bani33: posts small blind 600
amatos: posts big blind 1200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to amatos [As Ks]
chipper_2: folds
TheTownhouse: raises 1900 to 3100 (Tiene un 5 de agresividad en mi PT por lo que no tengo porqué creermelo a pesar de que es UTG+1. En principio su rango de manos es bastante amplio)
magwitch78: calls 3100
agriffrod: folds
PremieKlovn: folds
#1PEN: folds
mig.com: folds
bani33: calls 2500
amatos: raises 88708 to 91808 and is all-in (Descarto el raise, pues no quiero que se piense que se trata de un squizze y decida envidarme con una mano que podría hacerle foldear envidando. Yo en pricipio si subo, y me envida se lo voy a ver, por lo que prefiero envidar)
TheTownhouse: calls 55820 and is all-in
magwitch78: folds
bani33: folds
*** FLOP *** [9d 6c 6d]
*** TURN *** [9d 6c 6d] [4c]
GB2005 [observer] said, "nh"
*** RIVER *** [9d 6c 6d 4c] [Qc]
agriffrod said, "nh sir"
*** SHOW DOWN ***
amatos: shows [As Ks] (a pair of Sixes)
TheTownhouse: shows [Ac Ah] (two pair, Aces and Sixes)
amatos said, "IM STUPID"
TheTownhouse collected 125165 from pot
amatos said, "NH"
TheTownhouse said, "ty"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 125165 | Rake 0
Board [9d 6c 6d 4c Qc]
Seat 1: #1PEN folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: mig.com (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: bani33 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: amatos (big blind) showed [As Ks] and lost with a pair of Sixes
Seat 5: chipper_2 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: TheTownhouse showed [Ac Ah] and won (125165) with two pair, Aces and Sixes
Seat 7: magwitch78 folded before Flop
Seat 8: agriffrod folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: PremieKlovn folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Aqui me quedo tocadísimo y por debajo de la media. Intento un par de movimientos para no perder fuerza de rerobo e intentar pillar fichas.
PokerStars Game #11364463187: Tournament #57261546, $50+$5 Hold'em No Limit - Level XII (600/1200) - 2007/08/07 - 18:22:03 (ET)
Table '57261546 1' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: #1PEN (16243 in chips)
Seat 2: mig.com (33306 in chips)
Seat 3: bani33 (42911 in chips)
Seat 4: amatos (32163 in chips)
Seat 5: chipper_2 (9018 in chips)
Seat 6: TheTownhouse (125040 in chips)
Seat 7: magwitch78 (36662 in chips)
Seat 8: agriffrod (57376 in chips)
Seat 9: PremieKlovn (74025 in chips)
#1PEN: posts the ante 125
mig.com: posts the ante 125
bani33: posts the ante 125
amatos: posts the ante 125
chipper_2: posts the ante 125
TheTownhouse: posts the ante 125
magwitch78: posts the ante 125
agriffrod: posts the ante 125
PremieKlovn: posts the ante 125
chipper_2: posts small blind 600
TheTownhouse: posts big blind 1200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to amatos [Jh Kd]
magwitch78: folds
agriffrod: folds
PremieKlovn: folds
#1PEN: folds
mig.com: folds
bani33: folds
amatos: raises 2400 to 3600
chipper_2: folds
TheTownhouse: folds
amatos collected 4125 from pot
amatos: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4125 | Rake 0
Seat 1: #1PEN folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: mig.com folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: bani33 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: amatos (button) collected (4125)
Seat 5: chipper_2 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: TheTownhouse (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: magwitch78 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: agriffrod folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: PremieKlovn folded before Flop (didn't bet)
PokerStars Game #11364527876: Tournament #57261546, $50+$5 Hold'em No Limit - Level XII (600/1200) - 2007/08/07 - 18:25:43 (ET)
Table '57261546 1' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: #1PEN (13693 in chips)
Seat 2: mig.com (23188 in chips)
Seat 3: bani33 (45086 in chips)
Seat 4: amatos (34338 in chips)
Seat 5: chipper_2 (18761 in chips)
Seat 6: TheTownhouse (119390 in chips)
Seat 7: magwitch78 (43062 in chips)
Seat 8: agriffrod (57751 in chips)
Seat 9: PremieKlovn (71475 in chips)
#1PEN: posts the ante 125
mig.com: posts the ante 125
bani33: posts the ante 125
amatos: posts the ante 125
chipper_2: posts the ante 125
TheTownhouse: posts the ante 125
magwitch78: posts the ante 125
agriffrod: posts the ante 125
PremieKlovn: posts the ante 125
mig.com: posts small blind 600
bani33: posts big blind 1200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to amatos [Jd Td]
amatos: calls 1200
chipper_2: folds
TheTownhouse: folds
magwitch78: folds
agriffrod: folds
PremieKlovn: folds
#1PEN: folds
mig.com: folds
bani33: checks
*** FLOP *** [9c Ad 3d]
bani33: checks
amatos: bets 2400
bani33: calls 2400
*** TURN *** [9c Ad 3d] [6d]
bani33: bets 4800
amatos: raises 4800 to 9600 Aquí creo que si lo he pillado con dobles o con trucha pagará y que si lleva el la Kd al menos que le cueste algo verlo.
bani33: folds
amatos said, "ZZZZZZZZZZ"
amatos collected 18525 from pot
amatos: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 18525 | Rake 0
Board [9c Ad 3d 6d]
Seat 1: #1PEN (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: mig.com (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: bani33 (big blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 4: amatos collected (18525)
Seat 5: chipper_2 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: TheTownhouse folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: magwitch78 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: agriffrod folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: PremieKlovn folded before Flop (didn't bet)
PokerStars Game #11364740769: Tournament #57261546, $50+$5 Hold'em No Limit - Level XIII (800/1600) - 2007/08/07 - 18:38:00 (ET)
Table '57261546 1' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: #1PEN (20286 in chips)
Seat 2: mig.com (32613 in chips)
Seat 3: bani33 (43536 in chips)
Seat 4: amatos (39413 in chips)
Seat 6: TheTownhouse (135901 in chips)
Seat 7: magwitch78 (40812 in chips)
Seat 8: agriffrod (57501 in chips)
Seat 9: PremieKlovn (56682 in chips)
#1PEN: posts the ante 150
mig.com: posts the ante 150
bani33: posts the ante 150
amatos: posts the ante 150
TheTownhouse: posts the ante 150
magwitch78: posts the ante 150
agriffrod: posts the ante 150
PremieKlovn: posts the ante 150
amatos: posts small blind 800
TheTownhouse: posts big blind 1600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to amatos [8h Td]
magwitch78: folds
agriffrod: folds
PremieKlovn: folds
#1PEN: folds
mig.com: raises 2400 to 4000 este ya se estaba pasando, y llevo un rato sin moverme.
bani33: folds
amatos: raises 35263 to 39263 and is all-in
TheTownhouse: folds
mig.com: folds
amatos collected 10800 from pot
amatos: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 10800 | Rake 0
Seat 1: #1PEN folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: mig.com folded before Flop
Seat 3: bani33 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: amatos (small blind) collected (10800)
Seat 6: TheTownhouse (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: magwitch78 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: agriffrod folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: PremieKlovn folded before Flop (didn't bet)
PokerStars Game #11364789699: Tournament #57261546, $50+$5 Hold'em No Limit - Level XIII (800/1600) - 2007/08/07 - 18:40:49 (ET)
Table '57261546 1' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: #1PEN (19686 in chips)
Seat 2: mig.com (28013 in chips)
Seat 3: bani33 (46536 in chips)
Seat 4: amatos (45613 in chips)
Seat 6: TheTownhouse (129701 in chips)
Seat 7: magwitch78 (48212 in chips)
Seat 8: agriffrod (54501 in chips)
Seat 9: PremieKlovn (54482 in chips)
#1PEN: posts the ante 150
mig.com: posts the ante 150
bani33: posts the ante 150
amatos: posts the ante 150
TheTownhouse: posts the ante 150
magwitch78: posts the ante 150
agriffrod: posts the ante 150
PremieKlovn: posts the ante 150
PremieKlovn: posts small blind 800
#1PEN: posts big blind 1600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to amatos [9h 6h]
mig.com: folds
bani33: folds
amatos: raises 3200 to 4800
TheTownhouse: folds
magwitch78: folds
agriffrod: folds
PremieKlovn: folds
#1PEN: folds
amatos collected 5200 from pot
amatos: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 5200 | Rake 0
Seat 1: #1PEN (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: mig.com folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: bani33 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: amatos collected (5200)
Seat 6: TheTownhouse folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: magwitch78 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: agriffrod (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: PremieKlovn (small blind) folded before Flop
PokerStars Game #11364839937: Tournament #57261546, $50+$5 Hold'em No Limit - Level XIII (800/1600) - 2007/08/07 - 18:43:41 (ET)
Table '57261546 1' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: #1PEN (19836 in chips)
Seat 2: mig.com (20713 in chips)
Seat 3: bani33 (50686 in chips)
Seat 4: amatos (45913 in chips)
Seat 6: TheTownhouse (126401 in chips)
Seat 7: magwitch78 (52612 in chips)
Seat 9: PremieKlovn (56232 in chips)
#1PEN: posts the ante 150
mig.com: posts the ante 150
bani33: posts the ante 150
amatos: posts the ante 150
TheTownhouse: posts the ante 150
magwitch78: posts the ante 150
PremieKlovn: posts the ante 150
magwitch78: posts small blind 800
PremieKlovn: posts big blind 1600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to amatos [Qc As]
#1PEN: folds
mig.com: folds
bani33: folds
amatos: raises 3200 to 4800
TheTownhouse: folds
magwitch78: folds
PremieKlovn: folds
amatos collected 5050 from pot
amatos: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 5050 | Rake 0
Seat 1: #1PEN folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: mig.com folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: bani33 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: amatos collected (5050)
Seat 6: TheTownhouse (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: magwitch78 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: PremieKlovn (big blind) folded before Flop
Y aquí mi segundo mal timing. Quedamos 31. a 4 puestos de cobro. EWl limper va un bonito 56% al flop en 230 manos, lo cual quiere decir que va con todo. Me queda un escollo que es la ciega grande. Buen jugador, pero agresivo. Deido que paso que me haga resteel y por ello envido. A la mierda
PokerStars Game #11365080493: Tournament #57261546, $50+$5 Hold'em No Limit - Level XIV (1000/2000) - 2007/08/07 - 18:57:46 (ET)
Table '57261546 1' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: yossie (23782 in chips)
Seat 3: bani33 (22786 in chips)
Seat 4: amatos (38463 in chips)
Seat 5: Batera (32366 in chips)
Seat 6: TheTownhouse (85901 in chips)
Seat 7: magwitch78 (92925 in chips)
Seat 8: Kalidh (149576 in chips)
Seat 9: PremieKlovn (57582 in chips)
yossie: posts the ante 200
bani33: posts the ante 200
amatos: posts the ante 200
Batera: posts the ante 200
TheTownhouse: posts the ante 200
magwitch78: posts the ante 200
Kalidh: posts the ante 200
PremieKlovn: posts the ante 200
amatos: posts small blind 1000
Batera: posts big blind 2000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to amatos [3h Kd]
TheTownhouse: folds
magwitch78: calls 2000
Kalidh: folds
PremieKlovn: folds
yossie: folds
bani33: folds
amatos: raises 36263 to 38263 and is all-in
Batera: calls 30166 and is all-in
magwitch78: folds
*** FLOP *** [6d 7c 8s]
*** TURN *** [6d 7c 8s] [Qs]
*** RIVER *** [6d 7c 8s Qs] [5s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
amatos: shows [3h Kd] (high card King)
Batera: shows [Ks Ac] (high card Ace)
Batera collected 67932 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 67932 | Rake 0
Board [6d 7c 8s Qs 5s]
Seat 1: yossie folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: bani33 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: amatos (small blind) showed [3h Kd] and lost with high card King
Seat 5: Batera (big blind) showed [Ks Ac] and won (67932) with high card Ace
Seat 6: TheTownhouse folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: magwitch78 folded before Flop
Seat 8: Kalidh folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: PremieKlovn folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Y me quedo con miseros 6k puntos a tres puestos de cobro. Decido que debo aguantar minimo a cobrar. Y de nuevo suerte pal nene cuando a dos puestos de cobro:
PokerStars Game #11365159064: Tournament #57261546, $50+$5 Hold'em No Limit - Level XIV (1000/2000) - 2007/08/07 - 19:02:28 (ET)
Table '57261546 1' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: yossie (19382 in chips)
Seat 3: bani33 (23986 in chips)
Seat 4: amatos (4897 in chips)
Seat 5: Batera (60177 in chips)
Seat 6: TheTownhouse (86101 in chips)
Seat 7: magwitch78 (81570 in chips)
Seat 8: Kalidh (169486 in chips)
Seat 9: PremieKlovn (57782 in chips)
yossie: posts the ante 200
bani33: posts the ante 200
amatos: posts the ante 200
Batera: posts the ante 200
TheTownhouse: posts the ante 200
magwitch78: posts the ante 200
Kalidh: posts the ante 200
PremieKlovn: posts the ante 200
bani33: posts small blind 1000
amatos: posts big blind 2000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to amatos [Ah 8c]
Batera: folds
TheTownhouse: folds
magwitch78: folds
Kalidh: folds
PremieKlovn: folds
yossie: folds
bani33: raises 8000 to 10000
amatos: calls 2697 and is all-in
*** FLOP *** [7h 2h Ks]
*** TURN *** [7h 2h Ks] [Jc]
*** RIVER *** [7h 2h Ks Jc] [9c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
bani33: shows [8h Th] (a straight, Seven to Jack)
amatos: shows [Ah 8c] (high card Ace)
bani33 collected 10994 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 10994 | Rake 0
Board [7h 2h Ks Jc 9c]
Seat 1: yossie (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: bani33 (small blind) showed [8h Th] and won (10994) with a straight, Seven to Jack
Seat 4: amatos (big blind) showed [Ah 8c] and lost with high card Ace
Seat 5: Batera folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: TheTownhouse folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: magwitch78 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Kalidh folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: PremieKlovn folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Es que al final me planteaba como estando segundo a falta de 40 tipos no entro ni en cobros.
Como veis las jugadas?. Creeis que se pueden plantear de otra manera.
Hay un punto claro. E otro toorneo a lo mejor las jugadas de AKs y K3 las juego con una pequeña resubida, pero en este torneo el resteel está a la orden del día y la gente lo emplea una barbaridad, por eso ves volar cajas a distro y siniestro por el valor de 10 veces el pot.
Que opinais?
Un saludo
19 años 2 meses
677
Saludos tio xD
Me gustan todas las jugadas excepto el call con el JTs. A mi en estos escenarios este tipo de manos me gusta mas raisearlas o foldearlas, ya que asi ni robas ciegas ni ganas mucho value por ver el flop con ellas. Si fuera un QJs o un KQs ya me inclino mas por el call, pero siendo JT raise/fold me parece mas adecuado sobretodo la situacion del torneo respecto a los cobros y tal.
comenten!
18 años 7 meses
12.285
A mi tambien me ha extrañado ese limp con JTs en UTG con el torneo tan avanzado.
18 años 3 meses
2.733
Lo de J10s lo hago a veces... Te contaré pq. tengo 34.000 puntos con ciegas 600/1200. Mi call está hecho con toda la mala idea. Si recibo un bet a 4800, le envido por mi resto, pues que jugada se limpea desde UTG y se envida ante un raise??? Pues blanco y en botella leche...
Yo lo que quiero no seon los 2000 del pot, pues me la suda tener 34K o 36K. Quiero 6 o 7K en ese pot (foldearán si son minimamente buenos hasta AK, o ir a la guerra contra un mounster y aprovecharme de mi potra para doblarme.
Cuando estoy por debajo de la media cada día me gusta más ese movimiento. Si un tipo con sus JJ 1010 AQs.. me sube no sabe lo que se va a encontrar que es mi caja en su frente.
Un saludo
18 años 3 meses
2.733
Y por cierto. Sé que es n movimiento de estar sonado, pero funciona ante manos del tipo 77/88/99/1010/JJ/QQ AQs... Contra AA o KK, pues mal día. Y así y todo queda mi %.
Además, que me parece un movimiento de loco pero con fundamento (lol).
18 años 10 meses
77
Querido amatos:
Estás como una puta cabra! jejejeje!
Yo solo comentaré la mano primera..... y lo que yo hubiera hecho....con AKs y con 90.000 puntos.....hago CALL.....y en el FLOP hago FOLD ante cualquier soplido del rival.
Saludos!
17 años 9 meses
1.076
me parece un movimiento de loco pero con fundamento (lol).
que Harrington ni ostias... aqui el poquer se aprende de arguiñano
Me gustan todos los movimientos... que te voy a enseñar yo si soy un pelao? Una putada la del K3, pero tu corto stack supongo que esta a punto de quitarte el fold equity
Nos vemos a final de agosto matao! traeme mis cosas!!
18 años 7 meses
623
yo la que no entiendo es la de k3 ,me parece excesivamente arriesgada
ademas si tienes datos de ellos ,ellos los tienen de ti y saben que el rango de manos con lo que puedes robar en esa situacion son muchas
no se pq de torneos estoy intentando aprender ,me estoy conjurando para ser mas agresivo que creo que es la clave
he empezado el mes pasado a jugar torneillos de 5 o 10 dolares ,he hecho 3 mesas finales , y siempre ha sido cuando he jugado tight y no me he comido bads en cuanto me salgo de ese guion y trato de jugar mas agresivo no saco nada
vamos que soy un principiante en torneos y no tengo ni idea pero la del k3 no la veo
saludos
18 años 3 meses
562
Pues yo haria lo que amatos, hay mucho limper y queremos o robar el jugoso bote o jugar un flip contra uno, solo hay dos manos que nos joden AA o KK y por la acción que ha habido solo el raiser inicial podria tener dichas manos, y los datos que indica amatos de agresión pf hacen improbable que las tenga, las tiene y parece que ha sido una locura, pero a mí el movimiento me parece más que correcto. (Del AKs hablo)
18 años 7 meses
351
Gracias por postear tu torneito la verdad que se agredcece leer las aventuras de otros. Yo hoy jugue un 20+2$ rebuys de 500 personas sali el 40º perdiendo un AA contra KJ en el flop K82 .... turn 8... river K Y estaba por encima de la media!!! .(