Problemas con KK
18 años 5 meses
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Nada que en la rachilla de ps me pongo a ver el tracker y resulta que pierdo pasta con KK. Quiza es porke no se foldearla, ahi van unos ejemplos:
POKERSTARS GAME #9947833806: HOLD'EM LIMIT ($2/$4) - 2007/05/16 - 18:09:47 (ET)
Table 'Mannucci' 6-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: AASjoj ($93 in chips)
Seat 2: topsu ($113 in chips)
Seat 3: olg307 ($73 in chips)
Seat 4: turdoo ($77 in chips)
Seat 5: laurenman ($156 in chips)
Seat 6: Stane1985 ($171.50 in chips)
laurenman: posts small blind $1
Stane1985: posts big blind $2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to laurenman [Ks Kh]
AASjoj: folds
topsu: raises $2 to $4
olg307: folds
AASjoj is sitting out
turdoo: folds
laurenman: raises $2 to $6
Stane1985: folds
topsu: raises $2 to $8
Betting is capped
laurenman: calls $2
*** FLOP *** [Ts 7s 6h]
laurenman: checks
topsu: bets $2
laurenman: raises $2 to $4
topsu: raises $2 to $6
laurenman: raises $2 to $8
Betting is capped
topsu: calls $2
*** TURN *** [Ts 7s 6h] [Ah]
laurenman: checks
olg307 leaves the table
topsu: bets $4
laurenman: calls $4
*** RIVER *** [Ts 7s 6h Ah] [3c]
laurenman: checks
topsu: bets $4
laurenman: calls $4
*** SHOW DOWN ***
topsu: shows [Kd Ac] (a pair of Aces)
laurenman: mucks hand
topsu collected $48 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $50 | Rake $2
Board [Ts 7s 6h Ah 3c]
Seat 1: AASjoj folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: topsu showed [Kd Ac] and won ($48) with a pair of Aces
Seat 3: olg307 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: turdoo (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: laurenman (small blind) mucked [Ks Kh]
Seat 6: Stane1985 (big blind) folded before Flop
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POKERSTARS GAME #9939976757: HOLD'EM LIMIT ($2/$4) - 2007/05/16 - 08:12:43 (ET)
Table 'Anastasia' 6-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: scenester09 ($70 in chips)
Seat 2: laurenman ($94 in chips)
Seat 3: Aspide ($45 in chips)
Seat 4: UKgazz ($149 in chips)
Seat 5: Smmmooth ($99.50 in chips)
Seat 6: bluntman82 ($184 in chips)
Smmmooth: posts small blind $1
bluntman82: posts big blind $2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to laurenman [Kd Kc]
scenester09: folds
laurenman: raises $2 to $4
Aspide: folds
UKgazz: calls $4
Smmmooth: calls $3
bluntman82: calls $2
*** FLOP *** [6d Jd 4d]
Smmmooth: checks
bluntman82: checks
laurenman: bets $2
UKgazz: calls $2
Smmmooth: calls $2
bluntman82: folds
*** TURN *** [6d Jd 4d] [Ah]
Smmmooth: checks
laurenman: bets $4
UKgazz: calls $4
Smmmooth: folds
*** RIVER *** [6d Jd 4d Ah] [3d]
laurenman: bets $4
UKgazz: raises $4 to $8
laurenman: calls $4
*** SHOW DOWN ***
UKgazz: shows [Td Ad] (a flush, Ace high)
laurenman: mucks hand
UKgazz collected $44 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $46 | Rake $2
Board [6d Jd 4d Ah 3d]
Seat 1: scenester09 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: laurenman mucked [Kd Kc]
Seat 3: Aspide folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: UKgazz (button) showed [Td Ad] and won ($44) with a flush, Ace high
Seat 5: Smmmooth (small blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 6: bluntman82 (big blind) folded on the Flop
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POKERSTARS GAME #9932733529: HOLD'EM LIMIT ($2/$4) - 2007/05/15 - 20:33:12 (ET)
Table 'Phoinix IV' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: willils63 ($56 in chips)
Seat 3: laubfrosch03 ($93 in chips)
Seat 4: Law99 ($91 in chips)
Seat 5: alcibides ($80 in chips)
Seat 6: laurenman ($49 in chips)
Law99: posts small blind $1
alcibides: posts big blind $2
k345: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to laurenman [Kc Ks]
laurenman: raises $2 to $4
willils63: folds
laubfrosch03: raises $2 to $6
Law99: calls $5
alcibides: folds
laurenman: raises $2 to $8
Betting is capped
laubfrosch03: calls $2
Law99: calls $2
*** FLOP *** [Ts 5c 8d]
Law99: bets $2
laurenman: raises $2 to $4
laubfrosch03: calls $4
Law99: calls $2
*** TURN *** [Ts 5c 8d] [Qc]
Law99: checks
laurenman: bets $4
laubfrosch03: raises $4 to $8
Law99: folds
laurenman: calls $4
*** RIVER *** [Ts 5c 8d Qc] [3d]
laurenman: checks
laubfrosch03: bets $4
laurenman: calls $4
*** SHOW DOWN ***
laubfrosch03: shows [Qh Qd] (three of a kind, Queens)
laurenman: mucks hand
laubfrosch03 collected $60 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $62 | Rake $2
Board [Ts 5c 8d Qc 3d]
Seat 1: willils63 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: laubfrosch03 (button) showed [Qh Qd] and won ($60) with three of a kind, Queens
Seat 4: Law99 (small blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 5: alcibides (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: laurenman mucked [Kc Ks]
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POKERSTARS GAME #9928610367: HOLD'EM LIMIT ($2/$4) - 2007/05/15 - 16:22:54 (ET)
Table 'Werra' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: mon3yp3nny ($29 in chips)
Seat 2: AASjoj ($116 in chips)
Seat 3: IslaVistaGrl ($86 in chips)
Seat 4: laurenman ($105 in chips)
Seat 5: ricefelt ($188.50 in chips)
Seat 6: Wojt ($39 in chips)
AASjoj: posts small blind $1
IslaVistaGrl: posts big blind $2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to laurenman [Kd Ks]
laurenman: raises $2 to $4
ricefelt: raises $2 to $6
Wojt: folds
mon3yp3nny: folds
AASjoj: folds
IslaVistaGrl: folds
laurenman: raises $2 to $8
Betting is capped
ricefelt: calls $2
*** FLOP *** [5d 2c Jh]
laurenman: bets $2
ricefelt: calls $2
*** TURN *** [5d 2c Jh] [Ah]
laurenman: checks
ricefelt: bets $4
laurenman: calls $4
*** RIVER *** [5d 2c Jh Ah] [3d]
laurenman: checks
ricefelt: bets $4
laurenman: calls $4
*** SHOW DOWN ***
ricefelt: shows [Ac Jc] (two pair, Aces and Jacks)
laurenman: mucks hand
ricefelt collected $38 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $39 | Rake $1
Board [5d 2c Jh Ah 3d]
Seat 1: mon3yp3nny (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: AASjoj (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: IslaVistaGrl (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: laurenman mucked [Kd Ks]
Seat 5: ricefelt showed [Ac Jc] and won ($38) with two pair, Aces and Jacks
Seat 6: Wojt folded before Flop (didn't bet)
18 años 5 meses
12.285
A peticion de Nepunda alguna con la ke gane xd
POKERSTARS GAME #9947749902: HOLD'EM LIMIT ($2/$4) - 2007/05/16 - 18:04:44 (ET)
Table 'Mannucci' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: AASjoj ($106 in chips)
Seat 2: topsu ($118 in chips)
Seat 3: heza13 ($25 in chips)
Seat 5: laurenman ($110 in chips)
Seat 6: Stane1985 ($169.50 in chips)
Stane1985: posts small blind $1
AASjoj: posts big blind $2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to laurenman [Kh Kd]
topsu: folds
heza13: calls $2
laurenman: raises $2 to $4
Stane1985: folds
AASjoj: calls $2
heza13: raises $2 to $6
laurenman: raises $2 to $8
Betting is capped
AASjoj: calls $4
heza13: calls $2
*** FLOP *** [5h 5s Jc]
AASjoj: checks
heza13: bets $2
laurenman: raises $2 to $4
AASjoj: folds
heza13: raises $2 to $6
laurenman: calls $2
*** TURN *** [5h 5s Jc] [2h]
heza13: bets $4
turdoo joins the table at seat #4
laurenman: calls $4
*** RIVER *** [5h 5s Jc 2h] [Ah]
heza13: bets $4
laurenman: calls $4
*** SHOW DOWN ***
heza13: shows [Th Kc] (a pair of Fives)
laurenman: shows [Kh Kd] (two pair, Kings and Fives)
laurenman collected $51 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $53 | Rake $2
Board [5h 5s Jc 2h Ah]
Seat 1: AASjoj (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 2: topsu folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: heza13 showed [Th Kc] and lost with a pair of Fives
Seat 5: laurenman (button) showed [Kh Kd] and won ($51) with two pair, Kings and Fives
Seat 6: Stane1985 (small blind) folded before Flop
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POKERSTARS GAME #9947405046: HOLD'EM LIMIT ($2/$4) - 2007/05/16 - 17:43:40 (ET)
Table 'Mannucci' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 2: topsu ($74 in chips)
Seat 3: heza13 ($103 in chips)
Seat 4: jwm2005 ($134 in chips)
Seat 5: laurenman ($90 in chips)
Seat 6: Stane1985 ($140 in chips)
Stane1985: posts small blind $1
topsu: posts big blind $2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to laurenman [Ks Kd]
heza13: calls $2
jwm2005: folds
laurenman: raises $2 to $4
Stane1985: folds
topsu: folds
heza13: calls $2
*** FLOP *** [Td 8h 4c]
heza13: bets $2
laurenman: calls $2
*** TURN *** [Td 8h 4c] [Th]
heza13: bets $4
laurenman: calls $4
*** RIVER *** [Td 8h 4c Th] [Ad]
heza13: bets $4
laurenman: calls $4
*** SHOW DOWN ***
heza13: shows [Qd 4s] (two pair, Tens and Fours)
laurenman: shows [Ks Kd] (two pair, Kings and Tens)
laurenman collected $30 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $31 | Rake $1
Board [Td 8h 4c Th Ad]
Seat 2: topsu (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: heza13 showed [Qd 4s] and lost with two pair, Tens and Fours
Seat 4: jwm2005 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: laurenman (button) showed [Ks Kd] and won ($30) with two pair, Kings and Tens
Seat 6: Stane1985 (small blind) folded before Flop
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POKERSTARS GAME #9932753522: HOLD'EM LIMIT ($2/$4) - 2007/05/15 - 20:34:23 (ET)
Table 'Themisto II' 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: Ladystar ($94 in chips)
Seat 2: laurenman ($96 in chips)
Seat 3: bakki1 ($37.50 in chips)
Seat 4: ahhnuts ($26.50 in chips)
Seat 5: ma_jones2 ($197 in chips)
Seat 6: Bogron ($113.50 in chips)
bakki1: posts small blind $1
ahhnuts: posts big blind $2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to laurenman [Kc Kh]
ma_jones2: folds
Bogron: folds
Ladystar: calls $2
laurenman: raises $2 to $4
bakki1: folds
ahhnuts: calls $2
Ladystar: calls $2
*** FLOP *** [Qd 9h 3s]
ahhnuts: bets $2
Ladystar: raises $2 to $4
laurenman: raises $2 to $6
ahhnuts: calls $4
Ladystar: calls $2
*** TURN *** [Qd 9h 3s] [Ah]
ahhnuts: checks
Ladystar: checks
laurenman: bets $4
ahhnuts: folds
Ladystar: calls $4
*** RIVER *** [Qd 9h 3s Ah] [3c]
Ladystar: checks
laurenman: bets $4
Ladystar: calls $4
*** SHOW DOWN ***
laurenman: shows [Kc Kh] (two pair, Kings and Threes)
Ladystar: mucks hand
laurenman collected $45 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $47 | Rake $2
Board [Qd 9h 3s Ah 3c]
Seat 1: Ladystar mucked [8h Qc]
Seat 2: laurenman (button) showed [Kc Kh] and won ($45) with two pair, Kings and Threes
Seat 3: bakki1 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: ahhnuts (big blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 5: ma_jones2 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Bogron folded before Flop (didn't bet)
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A peticion de Nepunda alguna con la ke gane xd
POKERSTARS GAME #9947749902: HOLD'EM LIMIT ($2/$4) - 2007/05/16 - 18:04:44 (ET)
Table 'Mannucci' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: AASjoj ($106 in chips)
Seat 2: topsu ($118 in chips)
Seat 3: heza13 ($25 in chips)
Seat 5: laurenman ($110 in chips)
Seat 6: Stane1985 ($169.50 in chips)
Stane1985: posts small blind $1
AASjoj: posts big blind $2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to laurenman [Kh Kd]
topsu: folds
heza13: calls $2
laurenman: raises $2 to $4
Stane1985: folds
AASjoj: calls $2
heza13: raises $2 to $6
laurenman: raises $2 to $8
Betting is capped
AASjoj: calls $4
heza13: calls $2
*** FLOP *** [5h 5s Jc]
AASjoj: checks
heza13: bets $2
laurenman: raises $2 to $4
AASjoj: folds
heza13: raises $2 to $6
laurenman: calls $2
*** TURN *** [5h 5s Jc] [2h]
heza13: bets $4
turdoo joins the table at seat #4
laurenman: calls $4
*** RIVER *** [5h 5s Jc 2h] [Ah]
heza13: bets $4
laurenman: calls $4
*** SHOW DOWN ***
heza13: shows [Th Kc] (a pair of Fives)
laurenman: shows [Kh Kd] (two pair, Kings and Fives)
laurenman collected $51 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $53 | Rake $2
Board [5h 5s Jc 2h Ah]
Seat 1: AASjoj (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 2: topsu folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: heza13 showed [Th Kc] and lost with a pair of Fives
Seat 5: laurenman (button) showed [Kh Kd] and won ($51) with two pair, Kings and Fives
Seat 6: Stane1985 (small blind) folded before Flop
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POKERSTARS GAME #9947405046: HOLD'EM LIMIT ($2/$4) - 2007/05/16 - 17:43:40 (ET)
Table 'Mannucci' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 2: topsu ($74 in chips)
Seat 3: heza13 ($103 in chips)
Seat 4: jwm2005 ($134 in chips)
Seat 5: laurenman ($90 in chips)
Seat 6: Stane1985 ($140 in chips)
Stane1985: posts small blind $1
topsu: posts big blind $2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to laurenman [Ks Kd]
heza13: calls $2
jwm2005: folds
laurenman: raises $2 to $4
Stane1985: folds
topsu: folds
heza13: calls $2
*** FLOP *** [Td 8h 4c]
heza13: bets $2
laurenman: calls $2
*** TURN *** [Td 8h 4c] [Th]
heza13: bets $4
laurenman: calls $4
*** RIVER *** [Td 8h 4c Th] [Ad]
heza13: bets $4
laurenman: calls $4
*** SHOW DOWN ***
heza13: shows [Qd 4s] (two pair, Tens and Fours)
laurenman: shows [Ks Kd] (two pair, Kings and Tens)
laurenman collected $30 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $31 | Rake $1
Board [Td 8h 4c Th Ad]
Seat 2: topsu (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: heza13 showed [Qd 4s] and lost with two pair, Tens and Fours
Seat 4: jwm2005 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: laurenman (button) showed [Ks Kd] and won ($30) with two pair, Kings and Tens
Seat 6: Stane1985 (small blind) folded before Flop
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POKERSTARS GAME #9932753522: HOLD'EM LIMIT ($2/$4) - 2007/05/15 - 20:34:23 (ET)
Table 'Themisto II' 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: Ladystar ($94 in chips)
Seat 2: laurenman ($96 in chips)
Seat 3: bakki1 ($37.50 in chips)
Seat 4: ahhnuts ($26.50 in chips)
Seat 5: ma_jones2 ($197 in chips)
Seat 6: Bogron ($113.50 in chips)
bakki1: posts small blind $1
ahhnuts: posts big blind $2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to laurenman [Kc Kh]
ma_jones2: folds
Bogron: folds
Ladystar: calls $2
laurenman: raises $2 to $4
bakki1: folds
ahhnuts: calls $2
Ladystar: calls $2
*** FLOP *** [Qd 9h 3s]
ahhnuts: bets $2
Ladystar: raises $2 to $4
laurenman: raises $2 to $6
ahhnuts: calls $4
Ladystar: calls $2
*** TURN *** [Qd 9h 3s] [Ah]
ahhnuts: checks
Ladystar: checks
laurenman: bets $4
ahhnuts: folds
Ladystar: calls $4
*** RIVER *** [Qd 9h 3s Ah] [3c]
Ladystar: checks
laurenman: bets $4
Ladystar: calls $4
*** SHOW DOWN ***
laurenman: shows [Kc Kh] (two pair, Kings and Threes)
Ladystar: mucks hand
laurenman collected $45 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $47 | Rake $2
Board [Qd 9h 3s Ah 3c]
Seat 1: Ladystar mucked [8h Qc]
Seat 2: laurenman (button) showed [Kc Kh] and won ($45) with two pair, Kings and Threes
Seat 3: bakki1 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: ahhnuts (big blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 5: ma_jones2 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Bogron folded before Flop (didn't bet)
laurenmaA peticion de Nepunda alguna con la ke gane xd
¿Qué pasa, que quieres una novia como yo y te traiciona el subconsciente?
Hombre, las manos que has ganado son muy distintas a las que has palmado. Ganas contra un pirado farolero sin acción preflop y palmas manos con acción preflop fuerte saliendo cartas de las que te joden si no estabas ya jodido.
No sé, en las manos que hay cap preflop y leches en el flop sería cuestión de echar cuentas de combinaciones de AA, KK, QQ, AK, y luego está el tema de que eres tú el que capa en casi todas y luego al salir el as en el turn la peña no se tira y encima te apuesta. Si no son maniacos faroleros o idiotas todo incita al fold, porque ya sólo ganas a QQ al salir los ases, pero con esos botes que se montan preflop y en el flop...
Vamos, que me parecen fold pero yo también haría call-down 😁
17 años 11 meses
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En la primera mano no estoy muy convencido del check en el turn al salir un as. Su juego preflop y en el flop indica más que tiene una overpair que AK, por tanto sería mejor hacer bet, no?
La segunda parece bien.
En la tercera me pensaría seriamente si foldear cuando me suben el turn...
La cuarta bien. Aunque se parezca a la primera, aquí nosotros hemos sido los que capeamos preflop, y además el sólo ha hecho call en el flop, por lo que parece mucho mas probable q tenga un as.
La quinta bien.
La sexta es curiosa. Supongo que tu intención era raisear el turn. Al salir otro T es mejor no raisear, no porque lo vaya a tener el contrario, sino para no echarle de la mano. Ese river si no hubiera sido un as sería aceptable para raisear, no?
La septima bien.
18 años 5 meses
12.285
En la primera si hago check va a hacer bet tenga o no el as. Si salgo haciendo bet y no lo lleva va a foldear inmediatamente, asi que no gano nada. Si hago check puedo provocar un bluff por su parte al mostrar debilidad.
17 años 11 meses
1.205
Hombre si tiene JJ o incluso QQ dudo que haga bet. Tu juego hasta el momento se parece mucho a un KK que se asusta del as. Pero si haces bet un JJ o un QQ muy probablemente harían call down, dudo que se tirara.
18 años 9 meses
456
Ese es problema de ponerte muy agresivo pre-flop y en el flop para checkear un As en el turn, tu mano se hace totalmente transparente para el rival si es más o menos perceptivo y con ese movimiento le invitas a jugar perfecto, así que dudo que induzcas un bluff demasiadas veces.
Por otro lado sí que es cierto que en la mano en cuestión que el tu oponente es más probable que tenga un overpair que AK por sus acciones, así que estoy con Raist, creo que el bet es lo mejor.