Rigged Stars
18 años
43
¿Qué tal gente? Luego de 9564 manos en NL50, donde voy -2.90BB, perdiendo $276.95; y de 9862 manos en NL25 a -3.15BB perdiendo $155.55 en Pokerstars, empiezo a comprender por qué la gente le llama "Rigged stars". Es increíble lo que me está pasando, he estado a punto de romper todo. Un par de ejemplos:
POKERSTARS GAME #11662849726: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.25/$0.50) - 2007/08/24 - 08:48:18 (ET)
Table 'Tunica' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: fortrav ($112.70 in chips)
Seat 3: texmex125 ($10.30 in chips)
Seat 4: anihana ($49.25 in chips)
Seat 5: YO ($58.85 in chips)
Seat 6: eternity888 ($53.85 in chips)
Seat 7: momy25 ($30.15 in chips)
Seat 8: MrSchnuff ($31.65 in chips)
Seat 9: RoBang ($8.75 in chips)
RoBang: posts small blind $0.25
fortrav: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to YO [Ad Ac]
texmex125: folds
anihana: calls $0.50
YO: raises $2 to $2.50
eternity888: calls $2.50
momy25: folds
MrSchnuff: folds
RoBang: folds
fortrav: calls $2
anihana: raises $2 to $4.50
YO: raises $10.50 to $15
eternity888: folds
fortrav: folds
anihana: calls $10.50
*** FLOP *** [7h 2c 4d]
anihana: bets $0.50
YO: raises $14.50 to $15
anihana: calls $14.50
*** TURN *** [7h 2c 4d] [6h]
anihana: bets $0.50
YO: raises $23.50 to $24
anihana: calls $18.75 and is all-in
*** RIVER *** [7h 2c 4d 6h] [5c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
anihana: shows [5d 5s] (three of a kind, Fives)
YO: mucks hand
anihana collected $100.75 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $103.75 | Rake $3
Board [7h 2c 4d 6h 5c]
Seat 1: fortrav (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: texmex125 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: anihana showed [5d 5s] and won ($100.75) with three of a kind, Fives
Seat 5: YO mucked [Ad Ac]
Seat 6: eternity888 folded before Flop
Seat 7: momy25 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: MrSchnuff (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: RoBang (small blind) folded before Flop
POKERSTARS GAME #11662957703: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.25/$0.50) - 2007/08/24 - 09:00:17 (ET)
Table 'Tunica' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: fortrav ($124.50 in chips)
Seat 2: prutser170 ($14.50 in chips)
Seat 3: Mystic41 ($20 in chips)
Seat 4: anihana ($60.70 in chips)
Seat 5: YO ($77.50 in chips)
Seat 6: eternity888 ($50.60 in chips)
Seat 7: momy25 ($25.15 in chips)
Seat 9: rogersjack ($50 in chips)
prutser170: posts small blind $0.25
Mystic41: posts big blind $0.50
MrSchnuff: sits out
rogersjack: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to YO [Ad Ah]
anihana: calls $0.50
YO: raises $2.50 to $3
eternity888: folds
momy25: folds
momy25 is sitting out
rogersjack: folds
momy25 has returned
fortrav: folds
prutser170: folds
Mystic41: folds
anihana: calls $2.50
*** FLOP *** [Kh 2h 4s]
anihana: bets $10
YO: raises $15.50 to $25.50
fortrav is sitting out
anihana: calls $15.50
*** TURN *** [Kh 2h 4s] [3d]
anihana: bets $0.50
YO: raises $31.50 to $32
anihana: calls $31.50
*** RIVER *** [Kh 2h 4s 3d] [9h]
anihana: bets $0.20 and is all-in
YO: calls $0.20
*** SHOW DOWN ***
anihana: shows [Kd 4c] (two pair, Kings and Fours)
YO: mucks hand
anihana collected $119.65 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $122.65 | Rake $3
Board [Kh 2h 4s 3d 9h]
Seat 1: fortrav (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: prutser170 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: Mystic41 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: anihana showed [Kd 4c] and won ($119.65) with two pair, Kings and Fours
Seat 5: YO mucked [Ad Ah]
Seat 6: eternity888 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: momy25 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: rogersjack folded before Flop
Esas dos manos las jugué así porque el amigo era un fish. Tenia un Vpip de 80 y en el flop pagaba todo.
POKERSTARS GAME #11664454731: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.25/$0.50) - 2007/08/24 - 11:23:14 (ET)
Table 'Tunica' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: Solymr ($50 in chips)
Seat 2: RROO ($50 in chips)
Seat 3: Mokesillo ($51.80 in chips)
Seat 4: pomata24 ($30 in chips)
Seat 5: YO ($53.70 in chips)
Seat 6: eternity888 ($66.65 in chips)
Seat 8: nickianthony ($51.80 in chips)
Seat 9: rogersjack ($115.90 in chips)
eternity888: posts small blind $0.25
PimpMySpeed: is sitting out
nickianthony: posts big blind $0.50
Solymr: posts big blind $0.50
RROO: posts big blind $0.50
pomata24: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to YO [6d 6h]
rogersjack: calls $0.50
Solymr: checks
PimpMySpeed leaves the table
RROO: checks
Mokesillo: folds
pomata24: checks
YO: calls $0.50
eternity888: folds
nickianthony: checks
*** FLOP *** [6c 7h 7c]
nickianthony: checks
rogersjack: checks
Solymr: checks
RROO: bets $2.50
pomata24: folds
taters1977 joins the table at seat #7
YO: calls $2.50
nickianthony: folds
rogersjack: folds
Solymr: folds
*** TURN *** [6c 7h 7c] [3c]
RROO: bets $4
YO: raises $6 to $10
RROO: raises $10 to $20
YO: calls $10
*** RIVER *** [6c 7h 7c 3c] [Qc]
RROO: bets $27 and is all-in
YO: calls $27
*** SHOW DOWN ***
RROO: shows [3s 7d] (a full house, Sevens full of Threes)
YO: mucks hand
RROO collected $99.25 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $102.25 | Rake $3
Board [6c 7h 7c 3c Qc]
Seat 1: Solymr folded on the Flop
Seat 2: RROO showed [3s 7d] and won ($99.25) with a full house, Sevens full of Threes
Seat 3: Mokesillo folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: pomata24 folded on the Flop
Seat 5: YO (button) mucked [6d 6h]
Seat 6: eternity888 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: nickianthony (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 9: rogersjack folded on the Flop
¿Por qué este idiota que pone la ciega cuando tenia que esperar solamente dos manos para jugar, es recompensado de esta forma?
POKERSTARS GAME #11665605314: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.25/$0.50) - 2007/08/24 - 12:59:46 (ET)
Table 'Misenus IV' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: Bsectorized ($34.20 in chips)
Seat 2: sanchi0190 ($68.75 in chips)
Seat 4: diek888 ($35.60 in chips)
Seat 5: YO ($48.75 in chips)
Seat 6: xOGERx ($28.65 in chips)
Seat 7: thomasv4d ($29.45 in chips)
Seat 8: ARKANENSIS ($39.60 in chips)
Seat 9: psych0tikx ($11.30 in chips)
YO: posts small blind $0.25
xOGERx: posts big blind $0.50
spoonitnow: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to YO [6c 6s]
thomasv4d: folds
ARKANENSIS said, "thx"
ARKANENSIS: folds
psych0tikx: folds
psych0tikx said, "great call"
xOGERx said, "lot of luck u have psycho"
Bsectorized: folds
sanchi0190: calls $0.50
diek888: calls $0.50
YO: calls $0.25
xOGERx: checks
*** FLOP *** [8d 6h 4s]
YO: bets $1.50
xOGERx: folds
sanchi0190: calls $1.50
diek888: folds
*** TURN *** [8d 6h 4s] [Jd]
YO: bets $4
sanchi0190: calls $4
*** RIVER *** [8d 6h 4s Jd] [8h]
YO: bets $8
sanchi0190: raises $8 to $16
YO: raises $26.75 to $42.75 and is all-in
sanchi0190: calls $26.75
*** SHOW DOWN ***
YO: shows [6c 6s] (a full house, Sixes full of Eights)
sanchi0190: shows [8c Js] (a full house, Eights full of Jacks)
sanchi0190 collected $95.50 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $98.50 | Rake $3
Board [8d 6h 4s Jd 8h]
Seat 1: Bsectorized folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: sanchi0190 showed [8c Js] and won ($95.50) with a full house, Eights full of Jacks
Seat 4: diek888 (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 5: YO (small blind) showed [6c 6s] and lost with a full house, Sixes full of Eights
Seat 6: xOGERx (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 7: thomasv4d folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: ARKANENSIS folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: psych0tikx folded before Flop (didn't bet)
POKERSTARS GAME #11683445212: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.10/$0.25) - 2007/08/25 - 12:24:50 (ET)
Table 'Tomyris' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: Beton37 ($25 in chips)
Seat 2: YO ($27.05 in chips)
Seat 3: pupi1 ($11 in chips)
Seat 4: redrhino3 ($13.05 in chips)
Seat 5: turkmenbasza ($25.10 in chips)
Seat 6: Krokus7777 ($29.70 in chips)
Seat 7: Virus3232 ($27.35 in chips)
Virus3232: posts small blind $0.10
UKhothands#1 has timed out
UKhothands#1: is sitting out
Beton37: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to YO [Qh Ah]
UKhothands#1 has returned
YO: raises $0.75 to $1
pupi1: folds
redrhino3: folds
pupi1 is sitting out
turkmenbasza: folds
pupi1 leaves the table
Krokus7777: calls $1
Virus3232: folds
Beton37: folds
*** FLOP *** [Ks Th Jc]
UKhothands#1 is sitting out
Mr.Blonde361 joins the table at seat #3
Mr.Blonde361 is sitting out
YO: bets $1.75
Krokus7777: calls $1.75
*** TURN *** [Ks Th Jc] [5s]
YO: bets $4
Krokus7777: calls $4
*** RIVER *** [Ks Th Jc 5s] [6s]
fioro joins the table at seat #8
YO: bets $9
Beton37 leaves the table
Krokus7777: raises $9 to $18
UKhothands#1 has returned
YO: raises $2.30 to $20.30 and is all-in
Krokus7777: calls $2.30
*** SHOW DOWN ***
YO: shows [Qh Ah] (a straight, Ten to Ace)
Krokus7777: shows [As Js] (a flush, Ace high)
Krokus7777 collected $51.80 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $54.45 | Rake $2.65
Board [Ks Th Jc 5s 6s]
Seat 1: Beton37 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: YO showed [Qh Ah] and lost with a straight, Ten to Ace
Seat 3: pupi1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: redrhino3 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: turkmenbasza folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Krokus7777 (button) showed [As Js] and won ($51.80) with a flush, Ace high
Seat 7: Virus3232 (small blind) folded before Flop
POKERSTARS GAME #11681229519: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.25/$0.50) - 2007/08/25 - 09:14:12 (ET)
Table 'Tethys III' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Harry_o.O ($48.15 in chips)
Seat 2: Hellet86 ($33.75 in chips)
Seat 3: apskies18 ($67.55 in chips)
Seat 4: Jools23 ($23.55 in chips)
Seat 5: ROD313 ($13.85 in chips)
Seat 6: chasinchaney ($30.55 in chips)
Seat 7: tentacleman ($49.50 in chips)
Seat 8: YO ($54.20 in chips)
Seat 9: youthman83 ($62.20 in chips)
Hellet86: posts small blind $0.25
apskies18: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to YO [3c 3d]
Jools23: folds
ROD313: calls $0.50
chasinchaney: calls $0.50
tentacleman: calls $0.50
YO: calls $0.50
youthman83: folds
Harry_o.O: folds
Hellet86: calls $0.25
apskies18: checks
*** FLOP *** [2h 3h 7c]
Hellet86: checks
apskies18: checks
ROD313: checks
chasinchaney: bets $2
tentacleman: folds
YO: raises $4 to $6
Hellet86: folds
apskies18: folds
ROD313: folds
chasinchaney: calls $4
*** TURN *** [2h 3h 7c] [Qs]
chasinchaney: checks
YO: bets $10
chasinchaney: raises $10 to $20
YO: raises $21.50 to $41.50
chasinchaney: calls $4.05 and is all-in
*** RIVER *** [2h 3h 7c Qs] [9h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
chasinchaney: shows [Qc Qh] (three of a kind, Queens)
YO: mucks hand
chasinchaney collected $60.10 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $63.10 | Rake $3
Board [2h 3h 7c Qs 9h]
Seat 1: Harry_o.O (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Hellet86 (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 3: apskies18 (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 4: Jools23 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: ROD313 folded on the Flop
Seat 6: chasinchaney showed [Qc Qh] and won ($60.10) with three of a kind, Queens
Seat 7: tentacleman folded on the Flop
Seat 8: YO mucked [3c 3d]
Seat 9: youthman83 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Limpeando las reinas el amigo...
En fin, no pongo más, pero tengo varias más de sets over sets, runner runner flush, etc.
Realmente no sé qué hacer ya, esto me empieza a asustar, a pesar de que tengo bank de sobra para jugar en nl50.
Saludos.
19 años
12.285
Las veo todas bien jugada por lo general... mala suerte y a seguir, esta gente a la larga te van a donar mucha pasta.
19 años
972
Companhero, si lees mis ultimos posts en la secion de Micro Limites No Limit, veras coasas muy parecidas, donde el donk siempre es premiado por su "insistencia"
Yo por mi parte tras una racha similar a la tuya donde parece que solo los que juegan mal y son imbeciles perdidos pueden ganar, he decidido dejarlo por un tiempo, y despues, vere si vuelvo, porque el poker online empieza a olerme cada vez peor.
Se que por decir esto algunos me crucificaran, y que si solo se quejan los perdedores, y que las salas no tiene motivos (desde mi punto de vista si que tienen) y todo eso, pero yo solo puedo opinar de lo que vo y me pasa a mi, y lo que me pasa cada vez pinta mas raro...
Asi que a ti suerte, y yo ya vere como evoluciona mi "momentanea paranoia"
19 años
972
Las veo todas bien jugada por lo general... mala suerte y a seguir, esta gente a la larga te van a donar mucha pasta.
Eso lo piensa uno 2, 3 hasta la decima vez, pero despues ya uno se cansa, porque al final es cierto que acaban donando el dinero, pero se lo acaban donando a otro, o simplemente cogen su botin recien donkeado, y se piran, 75% de las veces...
19 años
1.321
en total son 12 cajas de ambos niveles en 20 K manos.. tampoco es que sea un hecatombe.. yo he llegado a tener downs de más de 30 cajas..
No creo que sea motivo de preocupación.. son muy pocas manos
Suerte y a seguir luchando!!
19 años
11.048
jojo. Me suena mucho; llevo 40.000 manos en PS NL50 y tengo de esas que pones a patadas. Hace un par de días pillé sets como nunca (siempre me dan de menos) y me jodieron casi todos o me pagaron poco. La putada es que son botes gordos que se palman que te destrozan las ganancias. Pero bueno, no son muchas manos y como te dicen no es una gran bajada; podría ser mucho peor. Paciencia y a mejorar, no queda otra cosa.
Aún así, yo creo que por bad beats he palmado el 30% o así de la pasta que he perdido, el resto es mal juego (o al menos el no óptimo). Ahora estoy jugando mucho mejor y se nota, este mes llevo unas ganancias de 3PTBB/100 y según el equity calculado con PokerEV debería ser de 5 (y eso que al igual que en muchas manos que pones, cuando al otro le sale el 2 outer y tú pagas pero bien en turn o river, resta mucho equity...).
De todas maneras, no creó que esté manipulado el software, sigue siendo estadísticamente posible, aunque de eso ya se ha hablado largo y tendido.
Saludos y suerte. Al final el tiempo pone a cada uno en su sitio.
19 años
3.891
Mira,consuelate,en Ongame tambien pasa...
Texas Hold'em $0.50-$1 NL (real money), hand #766,632,451
Table Manaus, 26 Aug 2007 12:20 AM ET
Seat 1: tantom ($26.75 in chips)
Seat 3: didi2104 ($35.45 in chips)
Seat 4: duddx ($112.65 in chips)
Seat 5: alcaudon32 [ KH,KC ] ($49.25 in chips)
Seat 10: Elmo7497 ($53.80 in chips)
ANTES/BLINDS
duddx posts blind ($0.25), alcaudon32 posts blind ($0.50).
PRE-FLOP
Elmo7497 folds, tantom folds, didi2104 bets $2.50, duddx calls $2.25, alcaudon32 bets $10, didi2104 calls $8, duddx folds.
FLOP [board cards 7C,4D,QD ]
alcaudon32 bets $15, didi2104 bets $24.95 and is all-in, alcaudon32 calls $9.95.
TURN [board cards 7C,4D,QD,9C ]
RIVER [board cards 7C,4D,QD,9C,6C ]
SHOWDOWN
didi2104 shows [ AC,5C ]
alcaudon32 shows [ KH,KC ]
didi2104 wins $71.90.
SUMMARY
Dealer: didi2104
Pot: $73.40, (including rake: $1.50)
tantom loses $0
didi2104 bets $35.45, collects $71.90, net $36.45
duddx loses $2.50
alcaudon32 loses $35.45
Elmo7497 loses $0
Uff,no hay forma,ultimamente me estan reventando con jugadas asi,no levanto cabeza ni a palos.
18 años
11
No se preocupe, muy pocas manos, y si sigues jugando asi vas a ganar en el largo plazo
19 años
12.285
El didi ese es 1 de mis mayores donantes, siempre lo busco y me siento a su izquierda :P
19 años
3.891
No me extraña nada que sea uno de tus mayores donantes,menudo crack.La mano es un sinsentido de principio a fin.Primero el call al reraise pero luego en el flop se me tira all in sin nada,¿de verdad se creia que me iba a tirar de ese bote tan monstruoso teniendo que poner solo 10 pavos mas?En fin,despues de esta mano cerre todas las mesas y me fui a la cama.
19 años
2.180
Hombre, tenía un A y backdoor nut flush, eso es un monstruazo de mano 😫DD Pero mira esta que es peor, el tío me hace call a un all-in con una jodida barrigona, es que si lo tengo al lao le doy de hostias!!!! MAd
EverestPoker Game #1973109734: Table Moroni-1 - $0.50/$1 - No Limit Hold'em - 16:34:26 - 2007/08/22
Seat 8: nimeschyme ($103.90)
Seat 9: PrinceHector ($62.22)
Seat 10: Grimash ($21.30)
Seat 1: Persseo ($182.86)
Seat 2: Durscho ($142.63)
Seat 3: El_Duderieno ($98.00)
Seat 4: dodoss81 ($126.12)
Seat 5: _Klass_ ($118.25)
Seat 6: klebar ($33.50)
Seat 7: DontCare34 ($133.00)
PrinceHector posts the small blind of $0.50
Grimash posts the big blind of $1.00
The button is in seat #7
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Persseo[Kd Kc]
Persseo raises to $4.00
Durscho folds
El_Duderieno folds
dodoss81 folds
_Klass_ folds
klebar folds
DontCare34 folds
PrinceHector calls $3.50
Grimash folds
*** FLOP *** [6c 5h Qd]
PrinceHector checks
Persseo bets $9.00
PrinceHector raises to $18.00
Persseo raises to $63.00
PrinceHector calls $40.22 and is all-in
Uncalled bet of $4.78 returned to Persseo
*** SHOW DOWN ***
PrinceHector shows [3d 2d]
Persseo shows [Kd Kc]
*** TURN *** [6c 5h Qd] [4c]
*** RIVER *** [6c 5h Qd 4c] [Kh]
*** SUMMARY ***
Board: [6c 5h Qd 4c Kh]
PrinceHector collects $122.44
18 años
43
Gracias por los comentarios. En cierta forma, mejor que me esté pasando esto. Yo que intento vivir del Póker, no le conocía esta cara al juego. Sí tuve badbeats, todos los tenemos, pero no de esta forma, uno tras otro de manera increíble. Además, como bien dijeron por ahí, son pocas manos. Seguro que voy a tener que estar preparado para cosas aún peores...
Saludos!
19 años
3.891
A mi tampoco me habia pasado nunca que jugadas 2 outer y 3 outers y peores me ganaran tantas veces en un periodo de tiempo corto.Segun mis calculos estas jugadas me han hecho perder en las ultimas 5000 manos o 10000 entre 300 y 400 pavos(los he perdido y por tanto tambien he dejado de ganarlos,un buen bocado a mi bankroll).Pues nada,hay que tener paciencia y jugar correctamente,ya se ira equiilibrando la cosa.