[NL100 SH] Std. IN pf AQo?

22 respuestas
17/05/2010 18:45
1

Villano en 98 manos es 24/21. En las pocas manos que llevaré en esta sesión recuerdo que se ha tirado a dos OR en SB mios, a un OR en BTN se tiro dedse SB y al siguiente OR mio en BTN hice un 3bet con el mismo size, ante lo que yo hice fold. En estas manos yo estare jugando 28/28 o 30/30. Pocas manos despues llega esta:

CO hero ([="#0000cc"]$108.30[/])

BTN otis.tarda ([="#0000cc"]$227.10[/])

SB Dzhuffin_H ([="#0000cc"]$100.50[/])

BB RazeBaze ([="#0000cc"]$97.90[/])

Pre-Flop: ([="#0000cc"]$1.50[/], 4 players) hero is CO A:heart: Q:club:

[="#cc0000"]hero raises to $2.50[/], [="#cc0000"]otis.tarda raises to $12[/], [="#777777"]2 folds[/], [="#cc0000"]hero raises to $25[/], [="#cc0000"]otis.tarda goes all-in $227.10[/], hero calls $83.30

Odds: 1.62:1

PME: 38%

Rango mínimo de Shove: 88+,AJs+,AQo+

Std. ¿?

17/05/2010 19:08
Re: [NL100 SH] Std. IN pf AQo?

Mega standard y palmas contra AK 😄.

18/05/2010 11:12
Re: [NL100 SH] Std. IN pf AQo?

Siendo tu 1er 4bet no creo que pushee 88 ni AJ siempre.

18/05/2010 12:43
Re: [NL100 SH] Std. IN pf AQo?

Por qué crees que es tan loose? Símplemente porque se ha tirado a tus OR? No debería ser al contrario? Es decir, se ha tirado bastante y 3betado poquito (aunque su raise es sospechoso). Aun así, no le has estado martirizando con 3bets ni na...no lo veo std. la verdad.

18/05/2010 14:38
Re: [NL100 SH] Std. IN pf AQo?

Yo he jugado con el en NL200 (acabará de bajar) y foldeo a su 3bet. Es bastante nit en general.

Acabo de mirar sus stats y lo tengo con un 3bet general de 6, 8 desde el BTN y un fold a 4bet de 52, no te shovea light ni de coña sin conocerte, a no ser que juegue mas "suelto" en nl100.

18/05/2010 16:03
Re: [NL100 SH] Std. IN pf AQo?

a mi me parece q siendo 4 players y atacando Pika desde el BTN el rango de 3bet del villano se amplia considerablemente, ademas despues del 4bet de pika y cubriendole en stack le sale rentable el push con buena fold equity, me parece std hacer call y mas por pot odds necesitas un pme minimo de 25% que sobrepasas. Lo unico destacable para mi es el 4bet a 2x de pika ¿pq no 4beteas a 1/3 stack para pushear casic any flop o hacer call a su re-raise? ¿lo haces por algo en especial? El resto veo la mano bien muy correcto el call imo.

Saludos

18/05/2010 16:04
Re: [NL100 SH] Std. IN pf AQo?

creo q me he rayado con el PME 😉 correcto el 38%

19/05/2010 20:24
Re: [NL100 SH] Std. IN pf AQo?

Su rango en BTN ahí será menos del 8% de 3bet, teniendo en cuenta que tu OR en CO será un de 25%-30% aprox, no creo que en ese spot te shovee AJ/88 como han dicho por ahí, snap fold 😒

22/05/2010 09:36
Re: [NL100 SH] Std. IN pf AQo?

el primer 4b siempre es bluff, call

22/05/2010 11:07
Re: [NL100 SH] Std. IN pf AQo?

Sobreadaptación FTW!

22/05/2010 11:20
Re: [NL100 SH] Std. IN pf AQo?

Del "Let there be range":

Cita:
On the other hand, what happens if an opponent is constantly re-raising me out of the blinds or

when he's in position?

The easiest answer is fold to his re-raise. An old grinder once told me, "In poker, tight is right."

When I first heard this line, I just laughed it off.As the games become more aggressive, he realize how

much wisdom there is in that sentence. This is especially true against dumb loose aggressive players

who three-bet you every chance they get. You keep folding and when you finally play back at them,

they'll hold AQ or 99 and think something like, "Well, I'm a loose aggressive player and I have been

running over the table. He's a good player so he must have noticed this. He might be getting fed up.

My hand is ahead of his re-stealing range. I'll shove and if I see KK+ or AK, it's a cooler, especially

with my sick table image." These types of opponents obviously shove and, of course, I show a better

hand.

No estoy de acuerdo con lo que dice al principio del todo de foldear siempre esperando una mano buena (pero no por temas de balanceo/imagen, sino porque hay valor por fold equity en 4betear contra un rango amplio), pero estoy muy de acuerdo con todo lo que viene después, porque es lo que suele hacer la gente a la quinta mano con un villano y aquí tenemos un ejemplo de razonamiento de esos independientemente de que a este tipo se le fuera la olla y le enseñara 99 o AT a pika...

22/05/2010 12:45
Re: [NL100 SH] Std. IN pf AQo?

¿Que es eso del Let there be range?

Y me siento reflejado en lo del pensamiento sobre 99, AQ y tal pero n ome acaba de convencer.. esta hablando de stackearse con TT+,AK en BW y eso en vez de FTW es un WTF IMO

22/05/2010 12:59
Re: [NL100 SH] Std. IN pf AQo?

Es un libro.

Y no está hablando de ninguna situación en concreto. Está hablando de atracar a un nit (o un desconocido, que si deja atracar suele ser por algo) y que en cuanto reacciona te piensas que se está adaptando y tú rápidamente te sobreadaptas sin deber.

22/05/2010 13:14
Re: [NL100 SH] Std. IN pf AQo?

OkMakei, ya he visto que es el de 1850$ wOw.

Hablando de sobreadaptacion, mira esta mano vs un edukito 32/30:

$0.50/$1 No Limit Holdem

5 Players

Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

Stacks:

UTG ([="#0000cc"]$100[/])

hero ([="#0000cc"]$210.55[/])

BTN ([="#0000cc"]$100[/])

SB ([="#0000cc"]$54.80[/])

BB ([="#0000cc"]$71.45[/])

Pre-Flop: ([="#0000cc"]$1.50[/], 5 players) hero is CO QDIAMONd Q:heart:

[="#777777"]1 fold[/], [="#cc0000"]hero raises to $2.50[/], [="#cc0000"]BTN raises to $6[/], [="#777777"]2 folds[/], [="#cc0000"]hero raises to $18[/], BTN calls $12

Flop: 2DIAMONd 7:heart: 3:club: ([="#0000cc"]$37.50[/], 2 players)

[="#cc0000"]hero bets $14[/], [="#cc0000"]BTN goes all-in $82[/], hero calls $68

Turn: 8:heart: ([="#0000cc"]$201.50[/], 2 players, 1 all-in)

River: 8DIAMONd ([="#0000cc"]$201.50[/], 2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: [="#0000cc"]$201.50[/]

hero shows

QDIAMONd Q:heart:

BTN shows

10DIAMONd 9:heart:

hero wins $198.50 (net +$98.50)



BTN lost $100

Waya tela no?

22/05/2010 13:26
Re: [NL100 SH] Std. IN pf AQo?
22/05/2010 11:20
Re: [NL100 SH] Std. IN pf AQo?

Del "Let there be range":

Cita:
On the other hand, what happens if an opponent is constantly re-raising me out of the blinds or

when he's in position?

The easiest answer is fold to his re-raise. An old grinder once told me, "In poker, tight is right."

When I first heard this line, I just laughed it off.As the games become more aggressive, he realize how

much wisdom there is in that sentence. This is especially true against dumb loose aggressive players

who three-bet you every chance they get. You keep folding and when you finally play back at them,

they'll hold AQ or 99 and think something like, "Well, I'm a loose aggressive player and I have been

running over the table. He's a good player so he must have noticed this. He might be getting fed up.

My hand is ahead of his re-stealing range. I'll shove and if I see KK+ or AK, it's a cooler, especially

with my sick table image." These types of opponents obviously shove and, of course, I show a better

hand.

No estoy de acuerdo con lo que dice al principio del todo de foldear siempre esperando una mano buena (pero no por temas de balanceo/imagen, sino porque hay valor por fold equity en 4betear contra un rango amplio), pero estoy muy de acuerdo con todo lo que viene después, porque es lo que suele hacer la gente a la quinta mano con un villano y aquí tenemos un ejemplo de razonamiento de esos independientemente de que a este tipo se le fuera la olla y le enseñara 99 o AT a pika...

nepundDel "Let there be range":

No estoy de acuerdo con lo que dice al principio del todo de foldear siempre esperando una mano buena (pero no por temas de balanceo/imagen, sino porque hay valor por fold equity en 4betear contra un rango amplio), pero estoy muy de acuerdo con todo lo que viene después, porque es lo que suele hacer la gente a la quinta mano con un villano y aquí tenemos un ejemplo de razonamiento de esos independientemente de que a este tipo se le fuera la olla y le enseñara 99 o AT a pika...

meh lei mal la mano 😒 pense que hero habia 3beteado, i suck

call al 3bet

22/05/2010 13:31
Re: [NL100 SH] Std. IN pf AQo?
22/05/2010 13:14
Re: [NL100 SH] Std. IN pf AQo?

OkMakei, ya he visto que es el de 1850$ wOw.

Hablando de sobreadaptacion, mira esta mano vs un edukito 32/30:

$0.50/$1 No Limit Holdem

5 Players

Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

Stacks:

UTG ([="#0000cc"]$100[/])

hero ([="#0000cc"]$210.55[/])

BTN ([="#0000cc"]$100[/])

SB ([="#0000cc"]$54.80[/])

BB ([="#0000cc"]$71.45[/])

Pre-Flop: ([="#0000cc"]$1.50[/], 5 players) hero is CO QDIAMONd Q:heart:

[="#777777"]1 fold[/], [="#cc0000"]hero raises to $2.50[/], [="#cc0000"]BTN raises to $6[/], [="#777777"]2 folds[/], [="#cc0000"]hero raises to $18[/], BTN calls $12

Flop: 2DIAMONd 7:heart: 3:club: ([="#0000cc"]$37.50[/], 2 players)

[="#cc0000"]hero bets $14[/], [="#cc0000"]BTN goes all-in $82[/], hero calls $68

Turn: 8:heart: ([="#0000cc"]$201.50[/], 2 players, 1 all-in)

River: 8DIAMONd ([="#0000cc"]$201.50[/], 2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: [="#0000cc"]$201.50[/]

hero shows

QDIAMONd Q:heart:

BTN shows

10DIAMONd 9:heart:

hero wins $198.50 (net +$98.50)



BTN lost $100

Waya tela no?

pikatoteleOkMakei, ya he visto que es el de 1850$ wOw.

Hablando de sobreadaptacion, mira esta mano vs un edukito 32/30:

$0.50/$1 No Limit Holdem

5 Players

Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

Stacks:

UTG ($100)

hero ($210.55)

BTN ($100)

SB ($54.80)

BB ($71.45)

Pre-Flop: ($1.50, 5 players) hero is CO QDIAMONd Q:heart:

1 fold, hero raises to $2.50, BTN raises to $6, 2 folds, hero raises to $18, BTN calls $12

Flop: 2DIAMONd 7:heart: 3:club: ($37.50, 2 players)

hero bets $14, BTN goes all-in $82, hero calls $68

Turn: 8:heart: ($201.50, 2 players, 1 all-in)

River: 8DIAMONd ($201.50, 2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $201.50

hero shows

QDIAMONd Q:heart:

BTN shows

10DIAMONd 9:heart:

hero wins $198.50 (net +$98.50)



BTN lost $100

Waya tela no?

edukito piensa: "Well, I'm a loose aggressive player and I have been

running over the table. He's a good player so he must have noticed this. He might be getting fed up.

My hand is ahead of his re-stealing range. I'll shove and if I see KK+ or AK, it's a cooler, especially

with my sick table image." These types of opponents obviously shove and, of course, I show a better

hand.

22/05/2010 13:49
Re: [NL100 SH] Std. IN pf AQo?

😄 ?

22/05/2010 15:10
Re: [NL100 SH] Std. IN pf AQo?

coño y nacie dice nada del 3 bet de 12 a 25??? yo creo que mejor a 35 y ahi ya vemos, no???



Siempre me habeis regañado por minibetear XD...aqui esta bien???



Pika en que sala a cuentas mesas estás jugando?? veo que te va bien la cosa...



un saludo

22/05/2010 15:22
Re: [NL100 SH] Std. IN pf AQo?

Estoy jugando en ongame (5max) a 6 mesas, estos dias estoy runeando hot, en total llevare unas 16K manos a 5bb o asi, de momento es pronto pa decir si bien o mal ;P He vuelto ahora mas en serio al cash espues de estar 1 mes y medio relajado jugando solo donkaments (que no fue mal tampoco pero son peligrosos 😫

22/05/2010 15:29
Re: [NL100 SH] Std. IN pf AQo?
22/05/2010 13:14
Re: [NL100 SH] Std. IN pf AQo?

OkMakei, ya he visto que es el de 1850$ wOw.

Hablando de sobreadaptacion, mira esta mano vs un edukito 32/30:

$0.50/$1 No Limit Holdem

5 Players

Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

Stacks:

UTG ([="#0000cc"]$100[/])

hero ([="#0000cc"]$210.55[/])

BTN ([="#0000cc"]$100[/])

SB ([="#0000cc"]$54.80[/])

BB ([="#0000cc"]$71.45[/])

Pre-Flop: ([="#0000cc"]$1.50[/], 5 players) hero is CO QDIAMONd Q:heart:

[="#777777"]1 fold[/], [="#cc0000"]hero raises to $2.50[/], [="#cc0000"]BTN raises to $6[/], [="#777777"]2 folds[/], [="#cc0000"]hero raises to $18[/], BTN calls $12

Flop: 2DIAMONd 7:heart: 3:club: ([="#0000cc"]$37.50[/], 2 players)

[="#cc0000"]hero bets $14[/], [="#cc0000"]BTN goes all-in $82[/], hero calls $68

Turn: 8:heart: ([="#0000cc"]$201.50[/], 2 players, 1 all-in)

River: 8DIAMONd ([="#0000cc"]$201.50[/], 2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: [="#0000cc"]$201.50[/]

hero shows

QDIAMONd Q:heart:

BTN shows

10DIAMONd 9:heart:

hero wins $198.50 (net +$98.50)



BTN lost $100

Waya tela no?

22/05/2010 13:31
Re: [NL100 SH] Std. IN pf AQo?

pikatoteleOkMakei, ya he visto que es el de 1850$ wOw.

Hablando de sobreadaptacion, mira esta mano vs un edukito 32/30:

$0.50/$1 No Limit Holdem

5 Players

Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

Stacks:

UTG ($100)

hero ($210.55)

BTN ($100)

SB ($54.80)

BB ($71.45)

Pre-Flop: ($1.50, 5 players) hero is CO QDIAMONd Q:heart:

1 fold, hero raises to $2.50, BTN raises to $6, 2 folds, hero raises to $18, BTN calls $12

Flop: 2DIAMONd 7:heart: 3:club: ($37.50, 2 players)

hero bets $14, BTN goes all-in $82, hero calls $68

Turn: 8:heart: ($201.50, 2 players, 1 all-in)

River: 8DIAMONd ($201.50, 2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $201.50

hero shows

QDIAMONd Q:heart:

BTN shows

10DIAMONd 9:heart:

hero wins $198.50 (net +$98.50)



BTN lost $100

Waya tela no?

edukito piensa: "Well, I'm a loose aggressive player and I have been

running over the table. He's a good player so he must have noticed this. He might be getting fed up.

My hand is ahead of his re-stealing range. I'll shove and if I see KK+ or AK, it's a cooler, especially

with my sick table image." These types of opponents obviously shove and, of course, I show a better

hand.

myfairmaredukito piensa: "Well, I'm a loose aggressive player and I have been

running over the table. He's a good player so he must have noticed this. He might be getting fed up.

My hand is ahead of his re-stealing range. I'll shove and if I see KK+ or AK, it's a cooler, especially

with my sick table image." These types of opponents obviously shove and, of course, I show a better

hand.

Ese eduquito hizo bien, x9 tiene altas probabilidades contra cualquier rango. Mira si no lo que me hizo ayer un reg:

$2/$4 No Limit Holdem

OnGame

5 Players

Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

Stacks:

UTG ([="#0000cc"]$162.50[/])

Hero ([="#0000cc"]$400[/])

BTN ([="#0000cc"]$445.50[/])

SB ([="#0000cc"]$514.70[/])

BB ([="#0000cc"]$370[/])

Pre-Flop: ([="#0000cc"]$6[/], 5 players) Hero is CO K:spade: K:heart:

[="#777777"]1 fold[/], [="#cc0000"]Hero raises to $12[/], [="#cc0000"]BTN raises to $40[/], [="#777777"]2 folds[/], [="#cc0000"]Hero raises to $90[/], BTN calls $50

Flop: 9DIAMONd 9:heart: 4:heart: ([="#0000cc"]$186[/], 2 players)

[="#cc0000"]Hero bets $50[/], [="#cc0000"]BTN raises to $125[/], [="#cc0000"]Hero goes all-in $310[/], BTN calls $185

Turn: 6:club: ([="#0000cc"]$806[/], 2 players, 1 all-in)

River: 10:club: ([="#0000cc"]$806[/], 2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: [="#0000cc"]$806[/]

Hero shows

K:spade: K:heart:

BTN shows

QDIAMONd 9:club:

BTN wins $803 (net +$403)



Hero lost $400

22/05/2010 19:23
Re: [NL100 SH] Std. IN pf AQo?

lo mas sexy de tu mano es tu flop size

26/05/2010 00:32
Re: [NL100 SH] Std. IN pf AQo?
22/05/2010 13:14
Re: [NL100 SH] Std. IN pf AQo?

OkMakei, ya he visto que es el de 1850$ wOw.

Hablando de sobreadaptacion, mira esta mano vs un edukito 32/30:

$0.50/$1 No Limit Holdem

5 Players

Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

Stacks:

UTG ([="#0000cc"]$100[/])

hero ([="#0000cc"]$210.55[/])

BTN ([="#0000cc"]$100[/])

SB ([="#0000cc"]$54.80[/])

BB ([="#0000cc"]$71.45[/])

Pre-Flop: ([="#0000cc"]$1.50[/], 5 players) hero is CO QDIAMONd Q:heart:

[="#777777"]1 fold[/], [="#cc0000"]hero raises to $2.50[/], [="#cc0000"]BTN raises to $6[/], [="#777777"]2 folds[/], [="#cc0000"]hero raises to $18[/], BTN calls $12

Flop: 2DIAMONd 7:heart: 3:club: ([="#0000cc"]$37.50[/], 2 players)

[="#cc0000"]hero bets $14[/], [="#cc0000"]BTN goes all-in $82[/], hero calls $68

Turn: 8:heart: ([="#0000cc"]$201.50[/], 2 players, 1 all-in)

River: 8DIAMONd ([="#0000cc"]$201.50[/], 2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: [="#0000cc"]$201.50[/]

hero shows

QDIAMONd Q:heart:

BTN shows

10DIAMONd 9:heart:

hero wins $198.50 (net +$98.50)



BTN lost $100

Waya tela no?

22/05/2010 13:31
Re: [NL100 SH] Std. IN pf AQo?

pikatoteleOkMakei, ya he visto que es el de 1850$ wOw.

Hablando de sobreadaptacion, mira esta mano vs un edukito 32/30:

$0.50/$1 No Limit Holdem

5 Players

Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

Stacks:

UTG ($100)

hero ($210.55)

BTN ($100)

SB ($54.80)

BB ($71.45)

Pre-Flop: ($1.50, 5 players) hero is CO QDIAMONd Q:heart:

1 fold, hero raises to $2.50, BTN raises to $6, 2 folds, hero raises to $18, BTN calls $12

Flop: 2DIAMONd 7:heart: 3:club: ($37.50, 2 players)

hero bets $14, BTN goes all-in $82, hero calls $68

Turn: 8:heart: ($201.50, 2 players, 1 all-in)

River: 8DIAMONd ($201.50, 2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $201.50

hero shows

QDIAMONd Q:heart:

BTN shows

10DIAMONd 9:heart:

hero wins $198.50 (net +$98.50)



BTN lost $100

Waya tela no?

edukito piensa: "Well, I'm a loose aggressive player and I have been

running over the table. He's a good player so he must have noticed this. He might be getting fed up.

My hand is ahead of his re-stealing range. I'll shove and if I see KK+ or AK, it's a cooler, especially

with my sick table image." These types of opponents obviously shove and, of course, I show a better

hand.

22/05/2010 15:29
Re: [NL100 SH] Std. IN pf AQo?

myfairmaredukito piensa: "Well, I'm a loose aggressive player and I have been

running over the table. He's a good player so he must have noticed this. He might be getting fed up.

My hand is ahead of his re-stealing range. I'll shove and if I see KK+ or AK, it's a cooler, especially

with my sick table image." These types of opponents obviously shove and, of course, I show a better

hand.

Ese eduquito hizo bien, x9 tiene altas probabilidades contra cualquier rango. Mira si no lo que me hizo ayer un reg:

$2/$4 No Limit Holdem

OnGame

5 Players

Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

Stacks:

UTG ([="#0000cc"]$162.50[/])

Hero ([="#0000cc"]$400[/])

BTN ([="#0000cc"]$445.50[/])

SB ([="#0000cc"]$514.70[/])

BB ([="#0000cc"]$370[/])

Pre-Flop: ([="#0000cc"]$6[/], 5 players) Hero is CO K:spade: K:heart:

[="#777777"]1 fold[/], [="#cc0000"]Hero raises to $12[/], [="#cc0000"]BTN raises to $40[/], [="#777777"]2 folds[/], [="#cc0000"]Hero raises to $90[/], BTN calls $50

Flop: 9DIAMONd 9:heart: 4:heart: ([="#0000cc"]$186[/], 2 players)

[="#cc0000"]Hero bets $50[/], [="#cc0000"]BTN raises to $125[/], [="#cc0000"]Hero goes all-in $310[/], BTN calls $185

Turn: 6:club: ([="#0000cc"]$806[/], 2 players, 1 all-in)

River: 10:club: ([="#0000cc"]$806[/], 2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: [="#0000cc"]$806[/]

Hero shows

K:spade: K:heart:

BTN shows

QDIAMONd 9:club:

BTN wins $803 (net +$403)



Hero lost $400

laurenmaEse eduquito hizo bien, x9 tiene altas probabilidades contra cualquier rango. Mira si no lo que me hizo ayer un reg:

$2/$4 No Limit Holdem

OnGame

5 Players

Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

Stacks:

UTG ($162.50)

Hero ($400)

BTN ($445.50)

SB ($514.70)

BB ($370)

Pre-Flop: ($6, 5 players) Hero is CO K:spade: K:heart:

1 fold, Hero raises to $12, BTN raises to $40, 2 folds, Hero raises to $90, BTN calls $50

Flop: 9DIAMONd 9:heart: 4:heart: ($186, 2 players)

Hero bets $50, BTN raises to $125, Hero goes all-in $310, BTN calls $185

Turn: 6:club: ($806, 2 players, 1 all-in)

River: 10:club: ($806, 2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $806

Hero shows

K:spade: K:heart:

BTN shows

QDIAMONd 9:club:

BTN wins $803 (net +$403)



Hero lost $400

LOOOL! estas son las situaciones que más me tildan en el poker xD.

27/05/2010 02:13
Re: [NL100 SH] Std. IN pf AQo?
22/05/2010 19:23
Re: [NL100 SH] Std. IN pf AQo?

lo mas sexy de tu mano es tu flop size

myfairmarlo mas sexy de tu mano es tu flop size

Espero que no sea ironía, porque me parece perfecto 😫

La del 9Ts del "Edukito" creo que ha leído mal los artículos, los delayed tan bastos con 100 bbs no me gustan nada, aunque con en torno a las 50 bb lo vería std :p

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